EPISODE 009: WILL AI TAKE OVER THE WORLD?

DRINK INFORMATION

Every episode we drink a different libation – so what are we drinking this episode?

Tom’s Drink – Tullibardine 228

– Caramely-vanilla with a chocolate finish

Ian’s Drink – Basil Hayden Dark Rye

– It has a belt buckle on the bottle, so you know its good 🙂

TRANSCRIPT:

Ian Robertson
Hey, Tom, I know we usually try to save our jokes for later on, but I have one for you.

Tom Kubiak
I’m interested.

Ian Robertson
Why, and I got this from chat GPT..

Tom Kubiak
You chat GPT’d a joke?

Ian Robertson
Yeah, I chat GPT’d a joke, and I like how we’re using chat GPT as a verb now, did you Chat GPT that? Why don’t Why don’t skeletons like to fight?

Tom Kubiak
I don’t know.

Ian Robertson
They don’t have the guts.

Tom Kubiak
Was that really a chat GPT joke?

Ian Robertson
Was a chat GPT joke.

Tom Kubiak
How appropriate that we’re gonna talk about AI today. That’s like perfect timing.

Ian Robertson
It is. I tell you what AI is crazy. And the Terminator jokes and references are off the charts.

Tom Kubiak
So appropriate.

Ian Robertson
Yeah. But before that, we’re going to do something that AI can’t do yet. Is enjoy a nice glass of whatever our libation is tonight. So what are you drinking?

Tom Kubiak
So tonight I’m drinking I opened a new bottle Tullibardine 228 I think is what it’s called and So it’s a another the the tasting notes for this one say caramely vanilla with a chocolate finish. And some ripe summer fruit. And..

Ian Robertson
Sounds like a gift basket. What are you drinking over there?

Tom Kubiak
Well, it’s like, you know how when you have a wine tasting and people say, Oh, I’m getting, you know, elements of graphite and licorice and a little bit of parsley. Like, how do you get all of that out of wine, but they do the same thing for scotch.

Ian Robertson
I’m like I’m getting I was doing a wine tasting the other day and or a couple weeks ago, I’m swirling my wine around and I make wine. So everybody’s like, Oh, he’s gonna say something important. And I go, I get a hint of grape.

Tom Kubiak
Grape actually.

Ian Robertson
And just stop. There’s a lot of grape in this wine isn’t there? I can tell. So what does it taste like to you? Does it taste like a potpourri basket or?

Tom Kubiak
Okay so I haven’t tasted it yet. But I am smelling. I’m smelling the chocolate. So I’m getting a little bit of chocolate smell on it In the in the nose. Okay, so this one’s got. It’s got a little bit. It feels like a higher alcohol content. It’s got that little astringent taste on the tongue. I’m not getting the tastes. That the that the aroma is giving me. Yeah, I like the aroma better than I liked the taste.

Ian Robertson
So that weirds me out when I have an alcoholic beverage where the smell doesn’t match the taste. Yeah, it just makes the drink uncomfortable For some reason.

Tom Kubiak
It’s different. Yeah. And it’s weird because I can I can get really a complex aroma like with some some notes that are really interesting. But I don’t get that when I taste it.

Ian Robertson
So if you don’t mind me asking, we don’t really talk about the price of things here a whole lot on our podcast. Yeah, how much is a bottle of that? If you don’t mind me asking.

Tom Kubiak
You know, I can’t remember I’ve had this one. Usually I’ll buy them when I when I see something that’s interesting. So normally the what I tend to buy runs between 80 and 120. That’s the typical range for a medium good bottle of scotch. Yeah, I think a couple of weeks ago, we talked about this new specialty liquor store that opened up in the in a little town nearby us just a little bit north of us and and they have really good specially sourced bottlings and theirs run in that range too like 100 to 150 they have some you know, higher end stuff that is better than that. But and and pretty much every liquor store will, but most of your typical scotches on the shelf are going to be in the $100 to 150 range somewhere in that range.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, and for me, I always call it a Thursday night whiskey. You know, I’m gonna get a bottle of whiskey that’s between 30 to 50 bucks if on a Thursday night, you know, weekday, you know, you just want a little glass of something. Okay, cool.

Tom Kubiak
An American whiskey.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, and American whiskey or even just a cheaper blended Scotch or something like that or Canadian whiskey even most of those are blended. But if I’m going to buy something that I drink with company, or you know, it’s Saturday night you know, just grab a nicer bottle of 80 to $120. That’s about right. That’s that’s where you get the good stuff that isn’t like over the top but I find that once you go above, like Let’s say $200. Like I said on a previous podcast, I really can’t tell.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, you would, you would know, the better better quality scotches. You, if you were sitting side by side, you would notice the difference. But once you get above a certain amount, then it becomes harder to know the difference to know what makes it so much better. But the difference between like, you know, a $75, bottle of scotch like Glenlivet or something like that, and, you know, a $200 bottle of scotch, you probably would notice the difference.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, I would notice a difference at that range. But once I get it, like, I’ve had some scotches, like just a taste of like, Oh, this one is like a $4,000 Bottle. And I’m like, Alright, cool. I’m like, it didn’t blow me away. I’m like, I’d rather have a glass of wine, but I’m a little bit more lowbrow. And I’m proud of that. Yeah, I’m okay.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah. And I think if you stay in that range, you’re always going to be happy. It’s hard to make, you know, something that you drink just to enjoy worth something that it costs $4,000 Like, that’s the price of a small a little car. You know, that doesn’t doesn’t seem like a reasonable expense.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, you have to get something like that as a gift. Or you have to have so much money to throw around it. Yeah, four grand doesn’t care. That you don’t care about that. That’s just plus I feel weird about that. Like, like, I’m drinking the value of a small car. I feel like I’d feel guilty drinking that.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, no. Agreed. Yeah. Agreed. What are you drinking?

Ian Robertson
So I’m drinking. Speaking of low brow. I say lowbrow. It’s not. It’s good. Basil Hayden dark rye.

Tom Kubiak
Oh, okay. Yeah, that’s a, that’s a bourbon.

Ian Robertson
It’s a bourbon has 51 At least 51% corn in there. Right? This is a rye.

Tom Kubiak
It’s a rye. Okay, rye.

Ian Robertson
It’s a rye. It’s a dark rye. But we bought it because there’s a little belt buckle on the bottle. I’m like aww a little belt buckle on that. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, here. Oh, got a little belt buckle on it.

Tom Kubiak
Oh, yeah, I know. I know the bottle Yeah. Okay, excellent.

Ian Robertson
So it’s a it’s like 35 to 40 bucks, but I’m like, Oh, cool. So I’ll buy it for the belt buckle. So here’s the thing about I love ryes, but I want my rye to taste like rye toast. Like it has to be I hated getting a rye and you can’t can’t taste the rye. This one kind of borders that but I would buy this again Totally. My wife hates it. I love it. It kind of tastes it it’s very smooth and it kind of tastes like it was almost underaged but in a good way. Okay, like before it starts to lose some of the zip to it here. I’m gonna pull a Tom. Smells like I’m getting notes of whiskey. I’m getting notes of oak.

Tom Kubiak
Smells like rye.

Ian Robertson
Smells like rye. And an angel baby’s bathwater.

Tom Kubiak
It smells like goodness and happiness.

Ian Robertson
But I tell you what, I like it. I buy this again. It was an almost accidental accidental buy. It’s got a really cool cork at the top too. And I don’t know why that’s important to me. But apparently it is.

Tom Kubiak
So you your purchase was influenced by the way the bottle looks?

Ian Robertson
Yes. Oh, yeah, I’m totally pedestrian. Yeah, you put a belt buckle on a bottle. I’m buying that.

Tom Kubiak
You’re gonna buy it.

Ian Robertson
Unless it’s pappy Van Winkle. Have we talked..

Tom Kubiak
I can guarantee you that’s..

Ian Robertson
Have we talked about pappy van winkle?

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, we have talked about it. Yeah. Okay, how much they cost? That’s just insane. Yeah.

Ian Robertson
You were saying you can guarantee what?

Tom Kubiak
I can guarantee that that belt buckle is there for that reason? Because some people will buy it just because it has the belt buckle.

Ian Robertson
Hey, my profession is marketing. It’s great marketing.

Tom Kubiak
It’s true.

Ian Robertson
They give me a cool cork at the top and a belt buckle and I feel happy drinking this.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, it’s like it’s like the tequila that they put in the crystal skull. Yeah, you know, like they do that for a reason. It doesn’t make the tequila any better. It’s just people want the crystal skull to put on their bar.

Ian Robertson
Okay, so I have to tell this story. Because it embarrasses my wife every time.. remember that bottle of tequila you brought me back from Mexico?

Tom Kubiak
I don’t remember.

Ian Robertson
It was probably eight, nine years ago Now. You bought me a bottle of tequila. Okay, and I looked it up and it was a pretty good bottle you bought me I’m like, Oh, wow, this is this is nice. And you can’t get it here in the States. So if you’re listening Mexican government, don’t worry about it. Just keep moving. Listen to something else.

Tom Kubiak
Pay no attention.

Ian Robertson
Yeah you can’t really get it here. But it was like tequila and in a good whiskey had a baby. And it was delightful. So I had a small glass.

Tom Kubiak
Really, I don’t even remember which one it was.

Ian Robertson
I wish they wish I could remember now but there’s been so many years. But I took a took a little swig. I’m like, Oh, by far my favorite tequila I’ve ever had. And then over the few months, I had it hidden away and I would take a little sip and my wife didn’t like it. And so I take a little sip and I only gotten like maybe three glasses in and my wife got very sick with a with a really bad flu one time she was down for like Two weeks straight. So you know, I’d make a tea and this and that. And so at night, she’d be like, I need something just clear my throat. You know, when you’re sick, you want a little something. So she try some of that. She finds it in the cabinet. And she goes, What is this and she drinks it. She goes, Oh, this is disgusting. But I have nothing else. I’m just going to force it down.

Tom Kubiak
No..

Ian Robertson
She took tequila. That’s my favorite tequila that I can never buy again. And over the course of two weeks, drank it all. And then I found the empty bottle on the countertop. I about cried, I’m like, What is this? She goes, I don’t know. But it was disgusting. And I’m like, nooooooo, oh, that made it worse. Like if she enjoyed it, I would have been like, okay, at least my baby went somewhere. Somewhere good. But no she’s like, That was gross. And then I told her and she she always she always feels bad about it. I’m like, It’s okay. You’re sick. Like next time you find a hidden bottle of liquor. Ask me first. What’s this bottle of liquor doing here?

Tom Kubiak
I wish I remembered what it was.

Ian Robertson
I don’t remember. Yeah, but I remember. I’m like she’s like, let’s see if you can find it. And like, you can only get that in Mexico. I’m like, why? Just like is Mexico is like, No, man, you can’t have our Tequila This is This is ours. You can’t have that.

Tom Kubiak
You can’t have the good stuff. Now tequila is a big thing. Like that probably was a little while ago. It was that might have even been before your daughter was born. Yeah, I’m guessing that probably. Yeah. So now tequila is is a big thing. And there’s like really good high end tequilas that are, you know, that are good.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, they’re treating them like scotches.

Tom Kubiak
Who, who’s the guys that those actors they they formed the the Three Amigos tequila. And they sold it for like $2 billion. They didn’t even own it for five years. It’s crazy.

Ian Robertson
You know, I don’t like the whole movie stars making liquor companies. Because I saw this picture of this fat Irish guy sitting on a barstool with a glass of whiskey. And at the bottom have said, Tullamore Dew movie star free since like, 1822, or whatever. And I’m like, that was the best ad because now I’m just gonna I like Tullamore Dew anyways. But I’m like, now that just makes me want to buy it more like that. And the guy was awesome. Because a movie star was not involved. Yeah, exactly. But we’re going to talk about AI tonight. And I tell you what, yeah. It is freaky, man. Right?

Tom Kubiak
It is freaky. Yes.

Ian Robertson
So the big one out there that is the most famous is chat GPT. China has one that’s not as famous. But I’ve been trying to follow that a little bit, because that’s kind of interesting. But then Google Bard, Google has had AI for years.

Tom Kubiak
Google Bard, yeah.

Ian Robertson
Because everyone’s like, Oh, Google came up with their own AI. They had it before Chat GPT. They just never released it to the public. And now people are like, it stinks. It’s like because they only gave you a piece of it. They’ve had it for years. It’s been around. Yeah. But now it’s getting application.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, even to a certain extent. When you when you’re at Google and you start typing something in and it fills the rest of it in for you that is to a certain extent, the beginnings of AI. It’s the ability to to determine what is next based upon what you have typed. And I think you may know, I don’t know a ton about this about AI. But I have seen a couple of documentaries. Terminator one and Terminator two, and they both didn’t end well.

Ian Robertson
If a lady named Sarah Connor, Connor ever asks you to watch her kids, say no.

Tom Kubiak
Just run as fast as you can the other way.

Ian Robertson
Don’t do it. Don’t do it.

Tom Kubiak
And don’t don’t get involved with a company name Sensodyne. Whatever It’s called.

Ian Robertson
Sensodyne.. Skynet, that’s it, Skynet. Sensodyne is a type of toothpaste.

Tom Kubiak
I don’t know how I got that mixed up.

Ian Robertson
Bow before Sensodyne, Your teeth will never feel better.

Tom Kubiak
That’s it stay away from Skynet.

Ian Robertson
Skynet.

Tom Kubiak
Actually, I was listening to another podcast and they they did a they hit a whole episode on AI a couple of months or relatively recently. And it was very interesting to listen to. What is the the basis for it because I didn’t understand what it is. And it came out of nowhere. It seems like in the past few months to where it’s now on everybody’s mind. Then it’s the the fundamental thing of it is is what they call large language learning models. Have you heard anything about that or read anything about it?

Ian Robertson
Yeah, it’s kind of the basics of of how it operates.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah. So the articles that I was reading about it say that it’s basically the because of the ability of computing power computing power is just is just basically crunching numbers and doing calculations and the more calculations you can do in a shorter amount of time, the more powerful the the end result is. And with AI that that’s basically what’s happening. It’s not, it’s not a, you know, a brain, like the human brain where it’s thinking based upon experiences, what it’s doing is it’s taking the, the sum total of basically the internet, and the text that makes up the internet. And it’s determining relationships of topics one to another. So in other words, when you say, in a sentence in, in sentences on the internet, we often see the phrase, chocolate covered strawberries. And as a result of that chocolate covered, and strawberries are connected together numerically. So when it sees the word chocolate, it’s possible with a higher frequency that the next word will be covered, much more than the next word would be gasoline, as an example. And because of the amount of computing power, the it, it can make predictions as to what the next thing is based upon the text or the information that it already has. That’s just a very simple definition of what is happening with these large language learning models, the more it’s fed, the more it can make an evaluation based upon the information that it has. It’s scary, actually,

Ian Robertson
You know, it’s interesting, because I need it dumbed down even more for me, and this guy actually wrote an article. And he put a cartoon in there. And in the cartoon, everybody was throwing their stuff on a pile, and then out the other end came stuff. And he goes, Just keep throwing stuff on and go get your other stuff at the other side of the pile. And that was illustrating what AI is, like you said, it takes everything. And that says, let’s see what comes out the other end.

Tom Kubiak
The sad thing is, is that depending upon what it’s using, as its, as its base of information, can determine what is coming out. So if you feed it a bunch of racist garbage, you’re going to end up getting a racist garbage answer, you know, because it’s going to formulate its opinion, it’s, um, you know, it’s its path based upon what it reads. And so, um, one of the articles I was reading, you know, that they did that they they use content that’s negative. And as a result of that the bend of the answers are negative.

Ian Robertson
Yeah. You know, it.

Tom Kubiak
That’s a scary thought.

Ian Robertson
But it is interesting how, quote unquote smart it is. Because it’s always trying to logically come up with the most predictive solution. Yeah. And you know, people talk about, like you mentioned, you know, Google, it’s like predicting what you’re gonna say next. You know, a lot of people have searched for this. And when you start typing, but predictive software, we’ve used that in marketing for years. So we’ve all had the experience where, you know, you talked about buying a canoe. And all of a sudden, now, your phone’s blown up with ads for canoes. That’s not, that’s not AI. For the most part, it is an element of AI. But that’s just, you know, your phone is always listening devices around you are listening, you know, that that’s not what we’re talking about. Instead, imagine for a moment, you’ve never thought about a canoe, then all of a sudden, you think about a canoe. And within that same day, or even Moments later, you start seeing ads for canoes, you’ve never looked up a canoe, you’ve never said the word canoe. It’s predictive software. It takes all that stuff that you the large language model that you’re talking about. And it said, it’ll say, Tom, is in his office, he’s drinking this scotch, he’s this age, he’s looked at these three items on Amazon, he’s very likely going to start thinking about a canoe, predictive software is so accurate, that it can get it down to the point where it just knows he’s going to be thinking about this. And sometimes, you know, it’ll try to refine it, like it’ll give you three items. And that’s just for advertising. We use it all the time. And advertising for like, this person is likely to think about buying a home, or this person is likely to think about bourbon. You know, it’s like, yeah, yeah, it’s amazing, the predictive software. And it also amazes me how simple we are as humans, that we can be calculated that easy. Yeah,

Tom Kubiak
That’s, that is an awesome point is that human nature is such that just with enough data, you can predict how a human will react. So if if I put a b and C in front of somebody, they’re likely due to do this. Or if I if they’re looking at, you know, if they if they see these three things, they’re gonna want to buy a hamburger, like the end And that is really, you know, for, for marketing to be able to get that information and to use it, it really can drive the decision making of individuals.

Ian Robertson
And that’s a really great point that you made. It’s not just about predicting what you’re thinking, it’s leading you to what you should think. Yeah. And it’s oftentimes wildly unrelated. Like it, like you said, it’s just stuff in and then stuff out. So it knows, okay, people Tom’s age, when they looked at pictures of printers, whiskey, and mirrors, all the sudden, they, they want to buy a canoe, it doesn’t know why it just knows 70% of the time, that combination work. And if that combination didn’t work, it will try a different combination. You know, and that’s how marketing works. Now, and it’s extremely effective, I’m sitting here with a bottle with a belt buckle on it.

Tom Kubiak
Exactly. This is, this is it, you know, that’s, that’s the and that is at the at the root of it, that’s, that’s what AI is doing. It’s taking, it’s taking data and turning the data into a decision. And because it has such an enormous amount of data, it can end up making a pretty accurate decision. You know, so you’re basically giving AI the sum total of all of the internet. And that’s a tremendous amount of data, and relationships and the ability to be able to, to take that data and quantify it and to look at how things relate one to another, it leads you to that the you know, the ability to be able to make a conclusion or to think creatively. And so, you know, it does bring up, you know, you become worried about what’s going to happen next. But in the in the sense of what can AI do, it’s really kind of cool. So even at its simplest levels right now, I heard an example of somebody saying, showing how AI works. And he said, Okay, you put in my anniversary is in July, my wife likes purple. And a couple of other things she’s been she’s between these ages, and we’ve been married for 20 years. Give me an example, give me a good idea for a gift. And it listed out 10, you know, gifts that would that would be appropriate with those sets of circumstances. Hmm, you had given me an idea and saying how you can even it will write for you a blog post. And so I tried it. I said great for me a blog post about because I’m a tax accountant, write for me a blog post about gift tax. And sure enough, it wrote me like a 300 word blog post that was relatively good. Like it. I don’t think it’s 100% accurate there are there are issues because it’s, it doesn’t have a way to determine whether what it’s reading, or what it’s doing is is accurate. But at some point, it’s going to have that and you know, I think it’s a ground. It’s a it’s a game changer for content writing and for data manipulation.

Ian Robertson
So there’s, there’s a couple things to unbox in there. So first of all, just talking about AI, it goes well beyond even writing a blog post. So me and my whole team, we use artificial intelligence all day, every day, we have to do a webinar. And in like 30 seconds, one of my team members wrote out the whole webinar. And with just a couple of minor changes. I’m like, this is a good webinar. I’m like this is it understood our app, it learns you. So like when I write a YouTube video description or description for our podcasts here, or the other podcast that I have, AI writes that for me, and I tweak it, and I might say I don’t like that just regenerate the whole thing. It actually gets to the point. So I’ll use chat GPT as an example. So chat GPT will actually start to learn you personally, not just the sum total of the internet. So I type in here’s a podcast that I did. Here’s my guests. And here’s the subject we talked about. I actually had to show this to somebody on my team because I’m like, it’s learned me so well. It knew what I was going to talk about. And at what points and even the back and forth what I said versus what the other person said. It wasn’t a transcript it was it was just a description. To the point where we just kind of sat down we’re like, this is creepy. This is super creepy.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, that’s pretty amazing. Yeah.

Ian Robertson
But the other thing on backstairs societally. So people are like, Yeah, everybody said that about the internet that the internet was gonna ruin ruin people..hasn’t it kind of? I mean..

Tom Kubiak
I think in some ways, it definitely has.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, the internet has a lot of benefits. I market on the internet. I make my living on the internet. But I mean, at the same time everybody’s complaining. My kids won’t go outside. My kids are doing bad things on the internet. There’s predators on the internet, there’s bad things happening all the time and the dark web. It’s like, didn’t it change society? Quite a bit. AI is going to do the same thing. I just don’t think we realize it yet. But here’s my problems with it. Number one, when the internet came out, it took away jobs but replaced those jobs with more jobs than it took away. Yeah, so it took it took away some some jobs of like people would, who worked at 411 or librarians. Okay. Yeah. So but then it replaced it with an entire industry of internet marketers and programmers, and it made more jobs than people could ever imagine. AI is doing the opposite. So as a marketer, AI could easily in the next 10 years, replace us.

Tom Kubiak
Oh, without without question..

Ian Robertson
Because you.

Tom Kubiak
I don’t think it will take that long?

Ian Robertson
No, because you could say, you come up with software that does all the marketing work that we do, build me a website that looks like this, and then, you know, create a marketing campaign that targets these people, and off you go. So, and if any of my clients are listening, hey, that’s just the reality of it. That’s, that’s where we’re going. It’s taking programmers, there’s a there’s an AI called copilot that programmers use, it reduces on average the time of a programmer by at least 5% by taking away the busy work, you know, typing and stuff that you just have to type in repetitively.

Tom Kubiak
The basic coding.

Ian Robertson
Yeah. So think about that co pilot alone, can take away 5% of an entire industry. And just that AI, I’ve I’ve written code with Chat GPT. And it’s halfway decent. I tell it what language to write in, and it writes it, and it’s getting better and better. There was a..

Tom Kubiak
That’s the thing that is is really amazing about this is we are really at the infancy of this, like we’re, we’re as far as its public release it, we’re, we’re a couple of months, basically into it. And it’s already to the point where it’s phenomenal. Like it’s scary how good it is. And if it’s anything like what they’re saying it’s expected to exponentially get better. Yeah. So the next, you know, release of it. And I’m not sure about how they release it, or what the, you know, what the terminology to connect to the releases, but let’s say it’s at, you know, 1.4 now and 1.5, well, when it gets to two, it’s 100 times better than one was, in a that is, and that may be only a couple months away, I think it’s really likely that in six months, we’ll be looking back and saying we can’t imagine how fast it grew.

Ian Robertson
So we’re only getting the commercial side of this. Chat GPT came out in November. So we’re about eight months in as the record as of the recording of this podcast. And since then, I think we’re, we’re well past, I forget where we’re at, we actually integrated with it, which I’ll get into in a minute, you know, feeding the beast that’s consuming us, basically. But with each one, it gets more and more advanced and faster and faster. But we’re again, only seeing the commercial side. So chat GPT came out. And then other ones are like, oh, yeah, we have it too, they were all developing it. And there’s Yeah, like government systems with AI. Some of them from what we understand what little we know, pretty insane. They use AI to predict enemy movements, to predict what world leaders decisions they would make. They base, you know, world leaders profiles and stuff like that. And it is really insane the stuff that they have at a higher level. But on a commercial level, back in May, they did the first job reports, and I think it’s highly inaccurate, is the first time that they actually had a little dot on there of who laid off people because of artificial intelligence. And there was a job loss of 4,000 in May of just the ones that reported it now, that only takes into account big companies. But if you talk to big companies, there’s some companies that have laid off hundreds of people.

Tom Kubiak
Because they can do the same thing with AI.

Ian Robertson
So there was, I was just reading an article, they replaced half of their staff with AI. So they, you know, kind of teams of content writers, you know, 12, 13 people, and now there’s one person just kind of reviewing it before it goes out. And then in that same company, they had AI take over their chat, and they would just have a couple of people. So where they had 100 people, now they have two people that would just jump in when AI couldn’t handle it. They laid off hundreds of people. And that’s just one company out of the millions of companies in the US. So that 4000 Number. Yeah, highly inaccurate in my opinion. Yeah, because it was the first month that they reported it.

Tom Kubiak
Agreed. And I would say at this point, you know what? The jobs we’re seeing it taking are the low end the low hanging job, like it hasn’t gotten to the point where it can handle the next step up. But that’s inevitable, it’s inevitable that it’s going to get good enough to handle those jobs. And as a result of that, it’s going to break into the next level of employment. You know, so really, you know, you think of what could be if you, if you say, Okay, well, I’m gonna, I’m gonna jump forward to the computer on the on enterprise that could do basically anything you asked it to do with the verbal command. If you had something that powerful, like, what, what could it do? It could do just about anything. You know, so really, there, there’s almost no job that involves thought and and, you know, mental work or desk work that probably could not be done at some point by by AI.

Ian Robertson
So that brings up an interesting point of the one industry that it’s created so far. They’re calling them prompt engineers at this point. Okay. Interesting. So it’s all about the prompts you give them if you give AI if you say AI, tell me what the problem was, this is not going to know. But now if you give it more prompts, so one we own a we own a software that home inspectors use. So we’re integrating with AI and we’re releasing it in a couple of weeks here. Yeah. Yeah, our mutual friend, Beon, he’s, he’s our lead developer. He goes, he just messages me one night, it was late at night. He goes, dude, you gotta try this. So he’s like, give me anything, give me three words and I give him three words. And it wrote a whole narrative for a report and like, Well, that’s easy. You know, like, let’s give it a real problem. So I gave it three words, slightly more complex but still a simple issue, dark substance, attic sheathing. And it wrote a three paragraph narrative that explained what the issue was, what was causing it and what to do next perfectly. I was mildly creeped out. Yeah, I’m like, let me give it something very complex. So hydronic boilers have what’s called a firebox inside, okay. And when those crack, those need to get replaced, because they it can be dangerous, and especially if it’s on what’s called a wet unit. So I wrote in in their hydronic, heating unit, white box, crack. It told me what it was, what the problem was, what to do next, and all the complexities of the issues and the potential dangers. So think about that. The average human being that I mean, it was never it can’t replace a home inspector, because you need somebody there to notice things. But the average human being could be standing there looking at something be like, is this bad? They write stairstep crack, corner, block foundation. And then it can can just diagnose the issue. It blew my mind like that. At that point. I sat back and and Beon goes, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it figured out a relatively complex issue with ease 30 seconds, wrote the whole thing. So it’s not that far away.

Tom Kubiak
No.

Ian Robertson
One of the big things is they’re predicting in the next 10 years, there’s only going to be about one to 5% of architects left. I hate to say this, Tom, but accountants…

Tom Kubiak
I know. Yeah.

Ian Robertson
Yeah. Accountanting is actually one of the things they are looking at first, because they deal with hard numbers.

Tom Kubiak
You know, scan a form, and it’s numbers, you know? Yeah.

Ian Robertson
So it’s numbers, they’re looking to replace anything white color. And then we just work with our hands serving the machines. Yeah, so.

Tom Kubiak
And I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not far off from where you, you don’t even have to describe the issue, you just take a picture of it. And from that picture it can read and determine what’s wrong, and you know, write content about it.

Ian Robertson
Yeah. So that’s, that’s the next step. And they are working on that. So it’s the reverse of the AI generative images, which by the way, we use too, you know, if we, if we needed an image where like, we can go take a picture or I can type in, hey we need a picture of this and it does it it does make people look weird sometimes. And you have to be you have to be good with your prompts. Like you have to say, make a realistic looking person don’t show his hands because AI for some reason can’t do hands, makes them all weird, okay. But ultimately, it they’re working on the reverse of that. They do have a measure of it already. And there is some commercial application, like they’ll take, they’ll take pictures of stuff, and it can it can kind of figure out some basic things. Yeah, but it is getting smarter and smarter. And the faster they develop AI in general, the bigger that pile is that we described in that cartoon before. Yeah, so the bigger the pile gets, the more stuff you get out the other end of it. Yeah it’s very interesting. And, you know, so you know, we’re we’re taping this it’ll be interesting to revisit this on another podcast maybe in six months and how far it’s come. Because I think even it at its level right now, it shocked people with how powerful it is. And I think that’s partially because we, it just burst onto the scene, like there was no, there was nothing and then all of a sudden, there’s this text prompt that you can type a few words in and get a massive amount of, you know, well defined information back from. So if I could go back to the point, and there may be people listening to say, Well, I disagree, there’s good and there’s bad in everything. And that’s true. There’s good and bad in the internet. And I use that as an example. The the problem with Chat GPT. So is the same problem like, you know, when they came out with the Internet, what is it almost 40 years ago now, that, you know, people are like, Well, kids can look up stuff and print it from the internet and submit that as their homework. And they could, but you know, they’d all be printing out the same thing half the time. Or you could kind of tell..chat GPT you can write write a unique essay on photosynthesis. And every student uses chat GPT could come in there with a completely different report on photosynthesis, all written by chat GPT. Colleges now are scrambling to figure out what to do.

Tom Kubiak
How do they respond?

Ian Robertson
Because their students aren’t learning, they’re just.. Here’s another scenario. And it goes with our instinctive thinking. So me and my daughter were making funny pictures on we actually use Bing, which is ChaT GPT. But and they use Dall-E platform to make DALL-E, which is DALL-E, to create images. So we’re just making funny images. We’re like, make a cat in the Starfleet uniform. And my, my daughter’s like, that looks cool. We should come up with a book. And so she’s like, let’s write a whole book. And my first inclination is, let’s have chat GPT do it. And I had to catch myself I’m like, that just, that was just wrong. What I thought, yeah, why take away someone’s creativity, the opportunity to explore, just to have something easy. And there’s guys out there. I say guys, because I was just reading about this one guy, writing novels and books. He wrote, like 100 books over the past six months using chat GPT. Wow. And they’re not bad. Some of them are really good. Movies, TV shows, the news, all of them are using AI to one extent or another either to rewrite..

Tom Kubiak
To generate content.

Ian Robertson
They generate content, clean up content, shorten content, or lengthen it, you can go into chat GPT and say make this shorter make this longer and all that stuff. Yeah, I know, it’s gonna ruin society. It’s gonna ruins people’s brains.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah I mean, you know, it’s just like anything else. You know, there’s, there’s huge advantages that come from it. But then there are disadvantages that come from it, too. And it may involve, you know, depending on where it goes, if it if it does end up really eroding the, you know, the white collar jobs like those that we’re talking about. It what it can’t do is it can’t take away manufacturing, it can’t take away farming, it can’t you know, the labor the the skilled labor, like plumbing or landscaping or, you know, roofing or things like that. It’s never going to take those things away. So what we may see is, although the United States economy has gone more toward the white collar jobs and services..

Ian Robertson
Which I never agreed with, yeah.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, I think you may see it start to swing back. And now people will value those skills more because there’ll be there’ll be not able to be replaced by AI.

Ian Robertson
And we still have Arnold Schwarzenegger. So I mean, he’s still kicking around, he can save us.

Tom Kubiak
Well for the time being, but I don’t know the the last the last part, he had that documentary he was looking pretty old. Yeah. You know, since time travel is going to be invented, I think it’ll be okay.

Ian Robertson
Okay, good. Good. Elon Musk will take care of that for us. Yeah. But it does. It does worry me, but at the same time, I mean, that is becoming eerily close to, to Terminator. I gotta, I gotta say.

Tom Kubiak
Oh, yeah. I mean, the, the, you know, the, the connections to it are, are easy to see. And I think that’s what one thing that scares some people and even some of these, you know, industry titans who are involved in Elon Musk, Elon Musk or Zuckerberg, like they recognize the problem that that could present itself because at some point, it’s not that the computer will become self aware it will just have the ability to be able to make decisions and control things. And at that point, you know, it would be hard to stop you know, already you already have computers controlling the the electrical grid and the air traffic control and you know, you other people Look services, water systems and whatnot. Imagine if a computer was able to control those things independent from human interaction, like it could make decisions on its own. My Alexis’ going off.

Ian Robertson
It can hear you, it’s telling you to stop this is perfect for the episode. But you know, as Alexa is talking to you what becomes the problem is we give it the control. Yeah. So like, remember that episode of Star Trek Voyager, where the doctor goes into this planet, and the computer determines who gets to who gets to get treatment first and who’s higher priority based on their usefulness in society? Yeah. And the disparaging difference and care that they get, eventually, I mean, they use computers for literally that very thing now prioritizing patients. Yeah, so it’s going to be like this computer algorithm instead of human beings. Yep. I mean, I guess maybe there’s an advantage of that. But at the same time.

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, it depends on the circumstance. But, but imagine if, if AI said, Okay, we’re gonna, you know, AI now controls the electrical grid, and, you know, it will make a decision based upon where electricity is more needed. And if if the code is written wrong, and it or it has a bad set of data that it’s looking at, it shuts off the, the electrical grid to be, you know, a major city, you know, that has catastrophic consequences. So, I mean, that’s just one one thing, but it you know, it could you can see how it that’s not a stretch to get to that point.

Ian Robertson
And then there’s also the existential, okay, chat GPT is regulated by the US government. Google bard is regulated. Now, you know, somebody sitting in some country somewhere being like, Oh, cool. I have AI, and just let it loose. Yeah. What’s the what’s to stop it from saying, you know, what, the only thing that really stinks on this planet, people? And then it just, and then just..

Tom Kubiak
Yeah, and that’s not a stretch either.

Ian Robertson
Well, I mean, hey, I’m doing the math right now. Where’s all the pollution come from? If we let humans go to destroy the planet? What causes all the problems? The only reason I’ll keep us alive is to keep itself alive. Well, I need to still run. So let me keep a small group of humans open alive to keep my you know, thing cleaned out and to be able to handle things.

Tom Kubiak
And get rid of everybody else.

Ian Robertson
So there you go, folks. We got fiery on this one. Yeah, this is almost as fiery as the fast food one.

Tom Kubiak
I think the fast food was more opinionated.

Ian Robertson
Yeah, exactly. Downfall of society. Yeah, but those chicken sandwiches.

Tom Kubiak
I got a I got a bad joke for you.

Ian Robertson
Okay, let’s end on a joke because I want to hear it.

Tom Kubiak
Okay, how do you get a barber to cross the road? You yell, Comb over here.

Ian Robertson
I don’t know. Oh come on. I’m a dad and that’s even bad for me.

Tom Kubiak
I thought that’s a pretty good one.

Ian Robertson
Aww man. I’m gonna have to come packing a joke next time. That’s

Tom Kubiak
Definitely well you started out with a joke.

Ian Robertson
It was an AI joke. I thought it was appropriate. Well, thanks for being on, Tom. Appreciate it a ton.

Tom Kubiak
Oh, thanks, Ian.

Ian Robertson
We’ll see you next episode.

Tom Kubiak
Sounds good. See you soon.

Ian Robertson
Bye.